Lisbon Treaty

Based upon the assumption that less of a blog means more comments:

So much for a “Cast-iron gaurantee”. And sorry I couldn’t resist with cartoon.

By Max RamsayChris Riddell on David Cameron's Europe policy

  1. oliverjackson
    6 November, 2009 at 3:22 am | #1

    I didn’t ever see the point of a referendum, as most people don’t have much of a idea of what the Lisbon Treaty really entails, personally I can’t name a single change the Lisbon Treaty will make. The only reasons I can see for a referendum is either political advantage or some form of ideological notion concerning democracy or similar buzz word. No one other than politicans, lawyers and bureaucrats really have the time or indeed the knowledge to read the Lisbon Treaty through and understand it, as well the social, political and other contexts underlying it, well enough to make an informed decision as to whether it is good or bad for the United Kingdom. We should really let our politicans make such a decision for us, we did elect them, after all. It’s in circumstances like the Lisbon Treaty that we should take the opportunity to delegate.

  2. Comrade Nash
    6 November, 2009 at 6:01 am | #2

    A change of plan in response to a change in circumstances – seems reasonable enough to me.

    Only in the world of politics (and perhaps organised religion) is it seen as a virtue to stubbornly hold on to a policy or idea which has long since become outdated. Mr. Cameron has changed his mind – while the wisdom of his decision may be up for debate, his liberty to do so should not be.

  3. Comrade Nash
    6 November, 2009 at 6:05 am | #3

    “the assumption that less of a blog means more comments”

    Would this be Jones’ Law by any chance :)

    • maxattacks
      6 November, 2009 at 9:22 am | #4

      Yeh, essentially, hope it works

  4. chrisblewitt
    6 November, 2009 at 10:37 am | #5

    The fact that a referendum on the Treaty cannot really be held for any practical purpose is fantastic news for the UK, but I feel it might be a little hasty to criticise Cameron on a u-turn when we kind of did promise a referendum on this in the first place. In other good news, Daniel Hannan has resigned himself to the backbenches.

  5. Suzannah Robinson
    9 November, 2009 at 3:44 am | #6

    i think it’s not fair to say that only politicians, lawyers and bureaucrats have read the treaty through, as many students at this uni have also been kept informed through their module choices.
    i think the government is right not to hold a referendum, but i wish there could be some kind of publicity campaign on what the treaty actually means, because i think it is
    a) very important, and
    b) pretty awesome
    and the public need to know!

  6. oliverjackson
    10 November, 2009 at 2:45 pm | #7

    Fine.
    “Few people besides politicans, advisors, lawyers, bureaucrats; those with ambitions to become a politican, advisor, lawyer or bureaucrat; maybe those with personal links to a politican, advisor, lawyer or bureaucrat; people who work for a poltican, advisor, lawyer or bureaucrat; typists of the Lison Treaty, spellcheckers, various researchers, diplomats, reporters, teachers, a few writers, possibly those involving in the printing, possibly David Cameron, members of the EU (or similar area) society at uni, businesspeople perhaps, mildly eccentric intellectuals, Europhiles with very little to do, a few members of the secret service, anyone who has had to wait a few weeks in a waiting room to see an MEP, someone who tried to impress an MEP possibly due to romantic aspirations, a few people who got really dangerously high, those who lost their suitcases at the airport, sufferers of insomnia, members of an unusual cult using the Lisbon Treaty as their holy book and other similar groups, really have the time or, frankly, the inclination to read the Lisbon Treaty through.”

    Happy now?

    • Comrade Nash
      11 November, 2009 at 4:41 am | #8

      I think your cynacism just broke the internet

  7. Jake
    12 November, 2009 at 7:06 pm | #9

    Oliver funnny.

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